a biblical defense of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

OSAS: Demystifying Hebrews 6 & 10

by Paul K.


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The whole Christian theology of salvation is both easy and simple, and yet hard and complex. One of the central things sincere Christians disagree on is the topic of once-saved-always-saved (OSAS). In other words, once you have received God's salvation, can you lose it?

A foundation already laid for every Christian is the truth that the Bible is God's Word. He oversaw the authors who wrote the various letters and books, such that what they wrote was divinely inspired to be error-free and only truth. Because of this, every book in the Bible has the same Author: God. This is important to note in the area of searching out whether OSAS is true. We need to look at Scripture, confident that the same God who wrote, through His inspiration, the book of Romans, also wrote James and Hebrews--indeed, every book of the Bible.

God will not contradict Himself. If a passage in Romans says one thing, the same Divine Author is expressing truth by what is contained in Hebrews.

However, we need to do as Paul wrote:

"be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the Word of Truth." (2 Timothy 2:15) NASB

The King James Version says it this way: "...rightly dividing...." While all Scripture is written FOR us, not all Scripture is written TO us. For instance, when God ordered Joshua and the children of Israel to attack a town and kill every living thing in it, we can learn from it that God hates sin and judges it, but that is not an instruction for us today to obey. Here are three good rules of studying the Bible in context: Discern to whom a Scripture is speaking, what subject it is addressing, and what do the surrounding verses say?

Scripture teaches us things about what we were like--what was true about us--before we came to faith in Christ. We were:

- helpless and ungodly (Romans 5:6)

- spiritually dead in our transgressions and sins (Ephesians 2:1; Colossians 2:13)

- separate from Christ, excluded from Israel, strangers to God's promises, having no hope, and without God (Ephesians 2:12)

- sons of disobedience (Ephesians 5:6)

- in spiritual darkness (Ephesians 5:8; Colossians 1:13)

- cursed by the Law (Galatians 3:13)

- condemned in our works (Galatians 2:16)

- sinners (Romans 3:23)

- deserving of death (Romans 1:29-32)

- straying sheep (1 Peter 2:25)

On and on the list goes.

Then, we came to faith in Christ. Scripture also teaches us things about what we are like--what is true about us--now that we believe. We are now:

+ justified and at peace with God (Romans 6:1)

+ spiritually alive with Christ (Ephesians 2:5)

+ brought near to God (Ephesians 2:13)

+ children of God (Ephesians 5:1; 1 John 3:1-2)

+ children of Light (Ephesians 5:8)

+ saved by grace (Ephesians 2:8-9)

+ freed from the Law (Romans 6:14)

+ forgiven for our sins (Ephesians 1:7)

+ have eternal life (John 3:16; 6:47)

+ His sheep (John 10:27)

This list, too, goes on and on.

We who believe are born-again (John 3:3; 1 Peter 1:22-23); our salvation is protected by the power of God (1 Peter 1:4-5); we will never perish (John 1:27-28); we are joined to the Lord and one spirit with Him (1 Corinthians 6:17); we are temples of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19-20); God abides in us and we abide in Him (1 John 4:15); we are already seated in heavenly places with Christ (Ephesians 2:6).

The evidence that once we believe, we are in an incredible place of eternal blessing, is overwhelming. Jesus said of His sheep (i.e., believers in Him), "...no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." (John 10:29) Mark it well: He said "no one." That includes you and me.

So, then, it is wise to research passages in Scripture that seem to say you can lose your salvation. I emphasize the word "seem." Remember our three rules of Context? "Discern to whom a Scripture is speaking, what subject it is addressing, and what do the surrounding verses say? When so many other passages paint a picture of glory guaranteed, we will do well to resolve what other seemingly contrary passages are really discussing.

Two such passages occur in Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10. To help clarify these, let's understand that a common mistake believers make in understanding the Bible is that they confuse how a believer gets saved, with what a believer is to do once they are already saved. None of us, when we first are saved, jump to instant spiritual maturity. By way of illustration, consider the growth stages of a human being. When we are physically born, we at first just lay there and wiggle our toes; then we crawl; then we toddle; then we walk, then we run. Also, physically, we know next to nothing. As we grow, we go through stages of physical, emotional and mental growth. The born-again experience is similar. Someone who is newly saved knows next to nothing, and has to go through stages of spiritual growth. We do this by learning from and feeding upon the Word of God:

"like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the Word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation." (1 Peter 2:2)

When we are first saved, we begin spiritually as little children, even if we are physically 100 years of age!

The Apostle John wrote about three stages of spiritual growth: little children, young men, and fathers.

Spiritually, about all we know when we are first born-again is that our sins are forgiven.

"I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven." (1 John 2:12)

In our spiritual infancy, we also do know that God is our Father:

"I have written to you, children, because you know the Father." (1 John 2:13c)

As we grow into spiritual teenagers, we learn the Word of God, and are able to use it to battle the devil and his temptations to sin:

"I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one." (1 John 2:2:13b)

"I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the Word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one." (1 John 2:14b)

As we grow to spiritual adulthood, we get beyond merely knowing thing "about" God, to knowing God Himself:

"I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning." (1 John 2:2:14a)

Sometimes those who think you can lose your salvation, are thinking that people who are sinning "too much" must have lost their salvation, when in reality they are spiritually immature and have not yet grown to be "strong" and haven't yet learned to "overcome the evil one." (1 John 2:14b)

Sometimes believers get so much grief and trouble for being a Christian that they get tempted to back-off from being demonstrably a Christian. This was the trouble with the Christian Hebrews to whom the writer (we don't know who the human author was) was sending the letter to the Hebrews. They were suffering so much for being Christians that they were turning away from following Christ to going back to Moses, the Law and the temple sacrifices. This clearly was what Hebrews was written to address.

"For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away from it." (Hebrews 2:1)

"Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful." (Hebrews 10:23)

"But remember the former days, when, after being enlightened, you endured a great conflict of sufferings, partly by being made a public spectacle through reproaches and tribulations, and partly by becoming sharers with those who were so treated. For you showed sympathy to the prisoners and accepted joyfully the seizure of your property, knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession and a lasting one. Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward." (Hebrews 10:32-36)

The letter to Hebrews addresses why the Hebrew Christians should not turn away from Christ, for Christ is superior in every way. To turn back to Moses and the Law would be to abandon the superior for the inferior. Hebrews demonstrates that Christ is superior to angels (Hebrews 1:4-14); superior to Moses (Hebrews 3:1-19); that Christ is our rest from works (Hebrews 4:1-9); and that Christ has a higher order priesthood, a priesthood of the order of Melchizedek.

It is here in reference to Melchizedek that the writer gets down to the business of concern about the spiritual growth of the Christians who were wavering, being tempted to go back to Moses and the Law:

"Concerning him (i.e., Melchizedek) we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing." (Hebrews 5:11)

The Hebrew Christian recipients of the letter apparently were not grasping deeper spiritual truth. He says that they ought to have grown into spiritual maturity; instead of being babies needing to be fed, they ought to have been the ones teaching the spiritual babies. Yet, they were needing spiritual food fit for spiritual babies (i.e., elementary principles=milk) instead of spiritual food fit for spiritual adults (i.e., teachings about Melchizedek = solid food).

"For by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their sense trained to discern good and evil." (Hebrews 5:11-14)

So, starting Hebrews chapter 6, the writer to the Hebrews urges them to leave behind "baby food" (i.e., elementary teaching) and press on to maturity, and lists several "basic" (i.e., baby) Christian teachings.

"Therefore leaving behind the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment." (Hebrews 6:1-2)

Now, since the writer urged them to press on to maturity (verse 1), he brings up a possible problem.

"And this we will do, if God permits." (Hebrews 6:3)

"If God permits." What on earth can he mean? Is there a situation where God would NOT permit someone to "press on to maturity," and if so, what could that situation be? The writer then gives a list of certain conditions to explain what he means by "if God permits."

"For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come." (Hebrews 6:4-5)

Notice the above steps demonstrate a progression of spiritual growth. First, they demonstrate that the person was "enlightened." This means they came to saving faith, that is, became a believer.

"I pray that the eye of your heart may be enlightened." (Ephesians 1:18a) Paul wrote that to believers, meaning, saved people.

Then the writer to the Hebrews says "have tasted of the heavenly gift." We are told over and again that eternal life is a gift of God.

"...the gift of God is eternal life." (Romans 6:23b)

The next step mentioned is "have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit." This is a Christian-only experience. Only saved people have the Holy Spirit--unbelievers do not.

"...if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." (Romans 8:9b)

Up to this point, all these conditions apply to baby Christians. Next, some spiritual maturity gets added to the list: "have tasted the good word of God." Remember the "young men" (i.e., spiritual teenagers) that John wrote about?

"I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you..." (1 John 2:14b)

The writer adds yet another element of spiritual maturity: "and the powers of the age to come."

This condition corresponds to John's "young men" teaching about overcoming the evil one:

"I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one." (1 John 2:13b)

So, the situation where God would NOT permit someone to "press on to maturity" involved someone who is not only born again, but has gone on in spiritual growth toward maturity, either John's "young men" (i.e., teenagers) or "fathers" (i.e., adults) stage. The expression "(tasted) the powers of the age to come" indicates this is no beginner in the faith, no spiritual just-got-saved "newbie."

What, then, does the Hebrews writer say about this person?

"and then have fallen away." (Hebrews 6:6a)

The Greek word for "fallen away" is "parapipto." As far as I can tell from my study tools, it is found nowhere else in the New Testament. It carries the idea of "to fall around" or "fall aside," meaning in the area of, such as to the side of where a person should have been standing. This is supported by the warning Hebrews gives earlier:

"For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away from it." (Hebrews 2:1)

So, "parapipto" is where someone has chosen, or allowed themselves, to "drift away from it."

In the context of the letter to these particular Hebrew Christians, "parapipto" is supposing that someone became a believer, grew into maturity, and then chose to abandon faith in Christ for another religion, in this case, was going back to Moses and the Law. So, if this person does this, what happens next?

"...it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame." (Hebrews 6:6b)

What does it say is impossible? "To renew them again to repentance." This does NOT say they lose their salvation, as salvation is not in view here. What is in view, is somebody who is saved whom God will not permit to "press on to maturity." Repentance simply means to change your mind. In Hebrews 6:1b, "repentance from dead works and of faith toward God" means to change your mind about depending on your works (which are dead) to save you, and instead to change your mind to depend on Christ to save you.

Context is everything. When someone deliberately turns away from Christ, they will not be allowed to change their mind back to faith in Christ. That is what it means when it says "it is impossible to renew them again to repentance," and why (in verse 3) it says "if God permits" (meaning there is a situation where God will NOT permit it).

So, why won't God permit it?

"...since they crucify to themselves the Son of God and put him to open shame." (Hebrews 6:6b)

Let's illustrate this with an example. Suppose a famous Christian who is the president of a famous Christian Bible school suddenly announces he doesn't believe the blood of Christ and His crucifixion solved mankind's problem of sin, but that Buddha had a better way, and forsakes Christ for Buddhism. Think of the shock waves that would send through the students, the faculty, and Christian communities around the world. Think of how it would affect the students and how it could damage their faith. After all, some students might reason, "If so-and-so, who is such a learned Christian, doesn't think Christianity is true, why should I study it?" Think of how the unbelievers in the media and the world at large who learned of it would mock and ridicule Christians, casting shame on the name of Christ saying, even one of their own has recanted. How they would laugh Christians--and Christ--to scorn!

Then suppose that former school president announces, "You know what, I guess I was wrong--Christ's death on the cross really did count for me after all." He is crucifying Jesus to himself all over again. First time he believed in the crucifixion, now after going away from the cross, he's trusting again in the crucifixion. How do you think the students would react, or for that matter, how the unbelievers would react? They would not, could not, trust him again. The unbelievers would certainly jeer, saying, "Oh, so NOW you believe?" The name of Jesus Christ would be put to open shame. This what the verse is saying by "since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame."

This, God will not permit. For someone advanced in Christian maturity and knowledge of the Bible, to do a "parapipto" involves such an injury against the faith they once held so strongly, that there's no coming back. Christ's blood still saves them, but with such a regression into complete unbelief, they will never again have more than "baby" stage faith--if that. God will not permit them to "press on to maturity."

Yet, they are still saved. Being saved isn't just a mindset. Being saved means being born-again. When that happens, the Holy Spirit literally indwells a believer, and a new life force, a spiritual one, now exists inside the believer where that life did not formerly exist. Nothing in the Bible makes a case for where that spiritual life force gets "un-born again" or "taken back" by God.

Quite the contrary, Scripture says that the believer is sealed with the presence of the Holy Spirit who is given as a pledge that we will have an inheritance in heaven:

"In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed--, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:13-14)

We all start out spiritually dead. (Ephesians 2:1) Those who believe in Christ become spiritually alive (i.e., born-again) (1 Peter 1:23) and are protected by the power of God to make sure they get to heaven. (1 Peter 1:4-5)

A farming illustration follows in Hebrews 6 in verses 7-8.

"For the ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned." (Hebrews 6:7-8)

The writer says that ground that drinks up rain produces useful vegetation. This represents a believer who stays the course, which is the very thing the writer to the Hebrews is urging the letter's recipients to do. For someone who fits the description of the exception case of verses 4-6, there is no fruit coming out of their life, but only thorns and thistles. Both of these latter are injurious to the hand of the one who touches them. They are "worthless."

The one who falls away (i.e., "parapipto") not only has no more fruit for God, but their unbelief is also spiritually injurious to those his unbelief touches. What is coming out of his life is worthless and harmful, and "fruit" of that sort is fit only to be gathered and burned up to protect people. That's why God won't permit them to "press on to maturity." They had some maturity before, and threw it away. Later in Hebrews, the writer urges again those Hebrew Christians suffering terrible things because of their faith, not to throw their faith away (i.e., don't give in and return to Moses and the Law):

"Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward." (Hebrews 10:35)

A "parapipto" person does "throw away" their confidence (i.e., faith) in Christ, and their life gets no blessing from God anymore. But, because such a person was redeemed by faith in Christ and became born again and was joined one spirit with Christ (1 Corinthians 6:17), he still possesses eternal life. God will not curse one of His children, for He has redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Galatians 3:13), but sadly that is as much as that person will get from God in this life, as Scripture says, the "parapipto" person will "come close to being cursed." (verse 8).

Such is the fate the writer to the Hebrews is warning the Hebrew Christians about, since they seem to be stuck in spiritual "baby" mode. He writes that they ought to have been teachers by now, but weren't. (Hebrews 5:12) He is warning them against "parapipto."

However, the writer then reassures them. While such a condition as described in Hebrews 6:4-8 is possible, he is confident that these believers are not ones in that condition described.

"But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking to you in this way." (Hebrews 6:9)

Still, verses 4-8 warn of what COULD happen if these Hebrew Christians (and us, for that matter) abandon Christ for something else. For the early Christians, it was Moses and the law. For us today, it could be anything else that would replace our faith in Christ, such as science, philosophy, a cult, devotion to a political cause, etc.

As we have just seen, Hebrews 6 is not describing losing one's salvation. While some Christians believe Hebrews 6 and 10 teach that you can lose your salvation, ironically, the letter to the Hebrews actually demonstrates OSAS! Look at the following two verses:

1) "By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10)

2) "For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)

We who believed "have been" (i.e., happened in the past) "sanctified...once for all." Focus on that. The offering of Jesus's body is "once for all." Again, in that second verse, we are told (concerning the offering of Jesus's body) that "He has perfected (us) for all time."

Once for all... For all time...

When we believed, Jesus perfected us "for all time." That's once-saved-always-saved. How much clearer does it have to be?

Eternal life is a gift from God (Romans 6:23), and we receive it and the Holy Spirit the moment we put our faith in Jesus Christ. (John 6:47; Ephesians 1:13) Keeping in mind that eternal life is a gift from God, let us look at what Scripture says about gifts from God:

"For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." (Romans 11:29)

The gift of eternal life, therefore, will NEVER be revoked! Once saved, always saved. We cannot lose salvation by our sins, for Christ has paid for all of them (Colossians 2:13; 1 John 1:2; John 10:28). We cannot even lose it if we falter in our faith, such as the situation described in Hebrews 6. (2 Timothy 2:13)

The ONLY way we can be denied eternal life and a home in Heaven with God for all eternity, is if we never take that first step to place our faith in Christ. Yes, if someone denies Jesus Christ by refusing to place faith in Him, then he will be denied by Jesus on the Day of Judgment. That person will hear the terrible words of Jesus Christ:

"And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.'" (Matthew 7:23)

"Depart from me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels." (Matthew 25:41)

Think of those words: "I never knew you." They do not say, "I knew you once, but then I didn't know you anymore," as would be the case if Hebrews 6 taught you could lose your salvation. The words say, "I NEVER knew you."

For the one who has believed in Christ, the very opposite is true. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them..." (John 10:27a). Jesus KNOWS those who placed their trust in Him, yes, even those who failed later by "falling away" (i.e., "parapipto").

Only persons Jesus has never known go to hell. A believer, He has known, and He grants unto him eternal life, which cannot be revoked. A believer is a sheep that was lost, but now is found, and shall never perish. (John 10:27-29)

Think of the words of the beloved Christian hymn, "Amazing Grace":

"Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me. I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see."

In conclusion, when a lot of verses/passages say you are saved eternally, and one other verse/passage seems to say you can lose that salvation, you can sure you are missing the context somehow on the one. God can't contradict Himself.

Once saved, always saved. It's by grace through faith. (Ephesians 2:8-9). It's eternal life, not until-the-next-time-you-blow-it-life. It's "they shall NEVER perish." (John 10:28) It's being given an inheritance with the Holy Spirit as a down-payment. (Ephesians 1:13-14)

Believers, hear this loud and clear! God went to too much trouble to purchase your freedom! It cost Him the life of His Son. He's not giving you up for anything in this universe or beyond!

"For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 8:37-38)

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Please just say this prayer to be sure that you WILL go to Heaven when you die.


“Heavenly Father, I know that I have broken
your laws and my sins have separated me
from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want
to turn away from my past sinful life
toward You. Please forgive me, and help
me avoid sinning again. I believe that
Your Son, Jesus Christ died for my sins,
was resurrected from the dead, is alive,
and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to
become the Lord of my life, to rule and
reign in my heart from this day forward.
Please send your Holy Spirit to help me
obey You, and to do Your will for the rest
of my life. In Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.”

In Defense of The Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

THE PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE:

The rapture is an event that will take place sometime in the near future. Jesus will come in the air, catch up the Church from the earth, and then return to heaven with the Church. In 1 Thes. 4:13-18 we are given a clear description of the rapture, "the dead in Christ will rise, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord." The time of the rapture was not given. From the word of God and from sound reasoning, something Jesus used quite frequently, I hope to prove the reality of the pretribulation rapture.

Scriptural Evidence for the Pretribulation Rapture

"Ye Know Neither the Day nor the Hour" (Mat 25:13) Vs 1260 days, (Rev 12:6)
When we search the scriptures and read the passages describing of the Lord Jesus' return, we find verses that tell us we won't know the day and others that tell us we will know the day. Mat 25:13 say that Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Rev 12:6 states that the Jews will have to wait on the Lord 1260 days. The 1260 days start when the Antichrist stands in the Temple of God and declares himself to be God.(2 Thes 2:4) This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven year tribulation. (Dan 9:27) It should be noted that some people only see a 3 1/2 year tribulation. They are in a way correct, because the first half of tribulation will be relatively peaceful compared to the second half. Nonetheless, peaceful or not, there still remains a 7 year time period called the tribulation. When the Jews flee into the wilderness, they know that all they have to do is wait out those 1260 days.(Mat 24:16) There is no way you can apply "neither the day nor the hour" to this situation. The only way for these two viewpoints to be true, there needs to be two separate distinct events transpiring here, the rapture of the Church before the tribulation, and Jesus' returning to earth seven years later.

The Marriage Supper of the Lamb
In Luke 12:36 the word states that when Christ returns, He will be returning from a wedding. In Rev 19:7-8 we read about the marriage itself. Before the marriage takes place, there is the marriage supper. According to Jewish custom, first the marriage contract is drawn up, often including a dowry. This parallels the act of faith we use when we trust Jesus to be our savior. The dowry is His life, which was used to purchase us. When the time comes for the wedding to take place, the groom goes to the bride's house unannounced, she comes out to meet him, and they both return to his father's house. This is an exact correlation of the events according to the pre-trib scenario. Jesus the groom comes down from heaven, calls up the Church, the Church next rises into the air to meet Jesus, and then both He and the bride return to the His Father's house (heaven). The marriage supper itself will take place up in heaven, while down here on earth the final events of the tribulation are playing themselves out. After the marriage supper takes place, the bride and groom are presented to the world as man and wife. This matches the time when Jesus returns to earth, accompanied by an army "clothed in fine linen, white and clean." (Rev 19:14)

What They Didn't Teach You in History Class
There are many groups that are trying to discredit the pre-trib rapture, primarily because they believe most of the end time events in the Bible have already taken place. By 70 AD, or the Middle Ages, they see just about all of the apocalyptic scriptures as being already fulfilled. If the book of Revelation were truly just a part of history, it would seem very difficult for me to explain away some of the current situations I see occurring around us: the rebirth of Israel, the reunification of Europe, the number of global wars that have occurred, and the development of nuclear weapons. During history class, I must have slept through the part where the teacher talked about the time when a third of the trees were burned up, 100 LB hailstones fell from the sky, and the time when the sea turned into blood.(Rev 8:7-8, 16:21) I think several people would have to question their opposition to the pre- trib rapture doctrine if they knew that the evidence provided to them was based on the understanding that most tribulation prophecies have already occurred.

The People of the Millennium
If Christ were to come back after the tribulation, rapture all the saints, and slay all the ungodly; who would them be left to populate the millennium? Only the pre-trib view point can account for this post-trib problem; the Church is raptured before the tribulation, a vast number of souls are saved during this 7 year time frame, and those that make it through the tribulation will go into the millennium, while the unsaved are cast into hell.

The Big Flip
In the pre-trib scenario, after we will rise to meet the Lord in the air, we will go to heaven and abide there seven years. At the end of the seven years, Christ comes down to earth, defeats the Antichrist, and cleanses the temple. In a post-trib rapture, we would rise in the air meet the Lord, then do a 180 degree turn and come back down to earth. It states in Rev 1:7 that Christ will appear out of the clouds and come down to earth. It says in Zech. 14:4 His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. If He's already headed our way, why would we need to be caught up to meet Him?

"Come up Hither"
In Rev 4:1 where it says "come up hither," many pre-trib writers cite this as a prophetic reference to the rapture of the Church. Rev Chapter 1 through 3 is the Church Age. After the shout to "come up hither," the Church is not mentioned in scripture at all. The attention of scripture switches from the Church to the Jews living in Israel.

Armies in Fine Linen
When Jesus returns, Rev 19:14, there is an army that follows Him riding on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. In Rev 19:8 we are told the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints. If the saints of God are returning with Christ, to wage war on the Antichrist, then it is not to have a post-trib rapture.

The Time of Jacob's Trouble
In a number of places, the Bible refers to the tribulation as a time of trouble for the Jews. The phrase "Jacob's trouble" pertains to the descendants of Jacob. In Jeremiah 30:7 it says that this time of trouble will come just before the Lord returns to save His people. The final week of Daniel's 70th week is yet to take place. An angel told Daniel that, "70 weeks are determined unto thy people."(Dan 9:24) Scripture never mentions that the tribulation is meant to be a time of testing for Christians, however some post-tribbers try to claim they are the ones being tested during the tribulation. To make this so, they need to spiritualize the 144,000 Jewish believers in (Rev 7:2-8) that receive God's protective seal. Placing the Church dispensation into the same time frame as the seven year Jewish dispensation, as the Post-tribbers do, raises one good question. Can two dispensations transpire at the same time? In the past, God has only dealt with only one at a time. Having both present during the tribulation, would have to be an exception.

He That is Taken Out of the Way (2 Thes. 2:7)
Before the Antichrist can be revealed, Paul said a certain, "He" must be taken out of the way. The "He" that must be removed, according to 2 Thes. 2:7, is widely thought to be the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has been promised to never leave the Church, and without the working of the Holy Spirit remaining on earth, no one could be saved during the tribulation. The removal of the Church, which is indwelt by the Holy Ghost, would seem the best explanation for this dilemma. The working of the Holy Spirit could go on during the tribulation, but His influence would be diminished because of the missing Church.

War or Rapture
(Rev 19:19-21) When Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation, He will be coming for battle. For those who believe in a post-trib rapture, it would be a strange thing to meet your Lord and Savior just as He's rushing into battle. The idea that war and rapture could occur together is a difficult thing to imagine, especially since they transpire at the same moment.

The Five Foolish Virgins
The wedding story that Jesus gave in Mat 25:2-13, I believe, relates a parable of the rapture of the Church and how some will not be ready. Jesus clearly states that a group of people will miss out on some event, and will cry out to God to let them into the place where He resides (heaven). Although some try to put this parable in a post-trib context, it doesn't fit very well. The ones left behind in a post-trib rapture will not need to seek the lord because they'll immediately be confronted by him and his army of angels.

God Hath Not Appointed Us to Wrath
In 1 Thessalonians 5:9 Paul assures us that God has not appointed His people to wrath. The wrath is plainly God's anger that will be poured out during the tribulation. Pre-trib believers cite this as meaning that Christians will be removed from the earth. Post-trib believers tell a different story. They describe this as meaning God will protect Christians during the tribulation, and pour this wrath out on the unbelievers only. This idea runs against the statement made in Rev 13:7 where the Antichrist is given power to make war with the saints and to overcome them. A post-trib view would make God's promise of protection from wrath into a lie. In years past, it was possible to think of protection from guns and swords. Today when any major war would involve nuclear and chemical weapons, it's not possible to expect protection from these types of weaponry. When Nagasaki, Japan was bombed during W.W.II, the bomb exploded over a Catholic church. Everyone that was in the center of the explosion died, both Christians and non-Christians. The only way to validly interpret God's promise of protection from wrath, is the bodily removal of the Church from this world.

The Salt of the Earth
(Mat 5:13) Jesus said, "Ye are the salt of the earth." When the believers are suddenly be removed, the earth will be plunged into spiritual darkness. When this happens, the Antichrist will then be free to control the world.

God Takes an Inventory
In Rev 7:3 an angel descends to earth and seals the servants of God. Two bits of information are given about this sealing that highly disclaim a post-trib viewpoint. The first item is the number of people sealed: 144,000. The second one is that all those who are sealed are from the twelve tribes of Israel. For the events in Rev 7:3-8 to be true, in a post-trib way, either the Church has turned against God or God has turned against the Church. A post-tribber could write a thousand word commentary on why the Church doesn't need to be sealed. Instead of trying to argue why the Church is not mentioned or sealed, a pre-trib proponent could just say, "We're already in heaven."

Noah and Lot as Examples
The tribulation period is compared to the times of Noah and Lot by Jesus in Luke 17:28. Most people argue over what time frame Jesus was talking about hear pre-trib or post-trib, and miss an important point. The two things that the Noah and Lot situations have in common are the removal of the righteous and the judgment of the unbelievers. From these two accounts, we see that God prefers to remove His own when danger is involved.

Common Sense Reasons for Believing in the Pretribulation Rapture

The World Test
One way to check the soundness of a doctrine is to see how the world reacts to it. One time a company put out a questionnaire that was used to screen prospective employees. One of the questions was "do you believe in the rapture?" If you answered yes, your chances of getting hired would not be good. Some Internet sites do not allow for the topics of Rapture or Second Coming. They do allow topics like sex, gay, and drugs. The only time the news media reports something on the rapture is when someone has set a date and was wrong.

That Old Time Religion
It used to be a natural rule of thumb when one was visiting a church or listening to a preacher, if the church or the preacher taught the rapture doctrine, it was logical to assume they also believed in repentance, prayer, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost. It was also true the churches that were on fire for God worshipped out of storefronts. Today many of those storefront churches have moved into marble palaces and have strayed from their principle doctrines.

Birds of a Feather Flock Together
Whenever I look at all the groups that teach false doctrine and are highly focused on end time events, I cannot find any that support the rapture theory. You have organizations like the Jehovah's Witnesses that teach a false gospel and are heavily into Bible prophecy. Why then don't Jehovah's Witnesses teach a false doctrine that would be right up their alley? Could it be the demonic forces that influence these group knows something that Christians opposed to the rapture don't. The list of prophetically minded cults that rejects the idea of a rapture goes on and on. Here are some more: the Mormons, the Worldwide Church of God, the Moonies, and leaders like Jim Jones and David Koresh.

The Church Would Rebuke the Antichrist
If the Antichrist came to power with the Church still here, I do not see how he could operate. When Hitler was fighting to take over England, a number of Christians where praying for victory. Hitler made mistake after mistake, and England out performed its enemy at every stage of the conflict. It is difficult to measure the actual impact of intercessory prayer in physical warfare. Little is known of how great a role praying saints played in the defeat of Nazi Germany. If the Church were to reside on earth during the tribulation, I am sure she would give the Antichrist fits. In Rev 11:3, the two witnesses give the Antichrist enough headaches alone. Millions of Christians, who know their Bible well, would recognize the man of sin and pray fire down on his head. The post-trib view would have to plan on the Church just rolling over and playing dead, the whole seven years.



There is one thing we should all remember. Whether we or not we know the Antichrist's mother's maiden name isn't the primary goal. Knowing Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and having your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life -- this should be our number one priority. The jailer asked Paul, "what must I do to be saved?" The answer was, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."(Acts 16:30-31)

PLEASE if you Read this post then Say This Prayer and Make Sure that you will go to Heaven when you die.

“Father, I know that I have broken your
laws and my sins have separated me
from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want
to turn away from my past sinful life
toward You. Please forgive me, and help
me avoid sinning again. I believe that
Your Son, Jesus Christ died for my sins,
was resurrected from the dead, is alive,
and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to
become the Lord of my life, to rule and
reign in my heart from this day forward.
Please send your Holy Spirit to help me
obey You, and to do Your will for the rest
of my life. In Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.”

If you have received Christ into your heart, I
welcome you to the Kingdom of God. All the
angels in Heaven rejoice whenever one soul is
saved. Now, your job as a Christian is to learn
about God, and obey Him. Read your Bible every
day, and you will be like a tree planted by a spring,
never thirsting. You will grow in knowledge and
wisdom, and your relationship and closeness with
your God will become the meaning of your life.
Please, find a good church, and get baptized in
the name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy
Spirit immediately. Learn the teachings of Christ,
and follow Him everyday. Remember, loving God
and loving people is a Christian’s role in this dark
and hurting world. We are commanded to go into
all the world and preach the gospel to save souls.

this article was copied from
http://home.flash.net/~evt/rapture.htm and is free to distribute and copy as long as it is distributed Free Of Charge for we must NOT put a price on saving souls from HELL and teaching them about Jesus THE Christ and his love for all of us.

Prophecies To ALL Denominations of Christianity God gave to Thomas Gibson

Prophecies to Denominations


Thomas Gibson - http://prophetic-word.org
2003 01 31.1
For thus saith the Lord. Do not despair. I am going throughout the churches of America to see who will put My Name first, who will put the salvation by the Blood of the Lamb above all else. Those who do so will be blessed by the Lord above; but those who do not will be condemned by Me. Do not turn to the world or the world's ways. Do not listen to the ways of many who compromise My gospel. Those who turn away from the compromising position of the worldly church will be blessed by Me. Those who continue in the work of compromising My Word will be condemned! Do not doubt this word. I am going throughout the world and throughout the churches in America to see who will put me first. It is time that the worldliness be burned out of the church! It is time to see that God is placed first above all things. There is power in the name of Jesus. Those who walk in that power are walking with Me. Those who do not walk in the power are walking with the world. Not only will I turn away from godless churches, but I will turn to those who are truly serving Me in truth and power, and I will give them a protection in this time. For coming soon is a persecution and a strong attack against My people. Not only that but there is coming trouble to America's shores. I will protect and guide My people through this time. Do not partake in those churches and religious organizations who will not listen to the Word of God and follow it in a complete way.

2003 03 05.1
For thus says the Lord. I am that I am. I have created one church, one Bible, and one truth. Therefore, all who profess to believe in Me must believe to one truth, one God, and one church. Where do we find one church? Where? Why are there so many organizations that use My Name and do not bow to the will of God for one church? In My Word I condemned factions and denominations or sects of My church. You will find it in I Corinthians 1. Obey My Word now! Return to the days of the book of Acts where My people were one; humbling themselves under the might hand of God. Turn away from the sins that you have. Destroy your divisions of Me. Become a local church that will not, under any circumstances, change or alter what the Bible says. Leave any church that will not confess that God is all and they are nothing. Return to the humility of the first century church. Look at what My Word says and believe it; not what some theologian interprets. Stand for all of God's Word and lead the world to Christ!

2003 06 18.2
For thus says the Lord. I am the One who you should be worshipping. I am the One who you should be paying attention too. I am the One who is in control of everything. Those who stand for their denomination, those who stand for their beliefs separate from the Bible, those who stand for their money organized churches; will stand for the world and I will not be their help when the troubles and denominational fights begin. Yes, there will be fights between churches, fights within churches, and fights between those within the churches and those without. I am calling My people to stand for peace and love even to love those who are wrong and bring a Spirit of love to those who persecute them. I am calling My people to stand for peace and not fight at this time. For those who fight will lose; and those who will not fight but stand in love for the truth of the Bible will be raised up victorious by Myself in the end. Stand and know that troubled times are coming. Stand and know that there is a way of the world which will lead to sin within the churches. Stand and know that there is a way of God which will lead to truth without man-made, money organized, churches. So says the Lord.

2003 11 25.1
I cry for My people who are deceived by such a wicked world. So many have tried to make the church look good in the eyes of the world by making the church worldly. So much has been done by these people that My church looks more like the world than Me. I have become strengthened by those who will stand against the worldliness that is in the church always wanting to be so worldly that they have gone away from Me. See in the Word how powerful My church was: healing, miracles on a regular time. But now how many are healed, how many miracles, how many signs and wonders? When they come back to Me, I will come again in signs, wonders, and mighty deeds.

2004 01 28.1
For thus says the Lord. My people who are tormented by unbelievers within the churches are truly those who are My witnesses in all the land. For when those who are within the churches will not bow down and serve the Master, Jesus; then truly sin has come unto the churches. I seek those who will bow down and humble themselves and obey the Spirit of God.

2004 02 8.1
My true church is not a denomination, but rather it is My people gathering into a local congregation with a name that represents the local area. Beyond this is sin. For if one creates a division with Christ, one creates a division of My people which is wickedness.

2004 02 8.2
Thus saith the Lord. Those churches who are truly not part of division-making shall be blessed by Me. Those churches who will not stand as a true and separate church from divisions (denominations) shall be removed. I will not longer have divisions within My body. They shall be removed. I will do this in the coming years.

2004 03 27.1
How many people, says the Lord, have I called out of My church to begin a teaching of My power? They should have been able to learn this within the church, but they could not because the church has preached against My power! I said in My Word, that you shall do greater miracles than I did [John 14:12] Why is this not seen? Because the church preaches worldly man-made power and not Godly power through fasting and prayer!!

2004 04 23.1
There are many who walk in pride in the church thinking that they are someone important who will be used in the coming revival. But no! I will use the humble ones who are not part of the great organized man-made church. For the man-made man-organized church will not partake of what is to come. For what is to come must come through the unhindered move of the Holy Spirit. Anything else would taint the move of God. So says the Lord God.

2004 05 06.1
Thus says the Lord. Did I not command My people to submit to the leading of the Holy Spirit? Why then do I find man-organized man-controlled organizations who call themselves by My Name? In the book of Acts I saw the multitudes bow down and serve Me. But here in this world we now have an organization which is answerable to itself and the votes of its members.

Blasphemy! Great blasphemy!! So says the Lord!


this article was originally found on http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/

Please Pray for the restoration of unity with in the church, and above all else make sure that you get SAVED and here is a prayer that you can say to get SAVED.

“Heavenly Father, I know that I have broken
your laws and my sins have separated me
from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want
to turn away from my past sinful life
toward You. Please forgive me, and help
me avoid sinning again. I believe that
Your Son, Jesus Christ died for my sins,
was resurrected from the dead, is alive,
and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to
become the Lord of my life, to rule and
reign in my heart from this day forward.
Please send your Holy Spirit to help me
obey You, and to do Your will for the rest
of my life. In Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.”


Did you say the prayer from YOUR heart? Then, congratulations YOUR name has been written in Heaven’s Book of Life and YOU are saved from an eternity in The Lake of Fire (Rev: 20:15)! If YOU died today, Heaven would be your new home!


If you have received Christ into your heart, I
welcome you to the Kingdom of God. All the
angels in Heaven rejoice whenever one soul is
saved. Now, your job as a Christian is to learn
about God, and obey Him. Read your Bible every
day, and you will be like a tree planted by a spring,
never thirsting. You will grow in knowledge and
wisdom, and your relationship and closeness with
your God will become the meaning of your life.
Please, find a good church, and get baptized in
the name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy
Spirit immediately. Learn the teachings of Christ,
and follow Him everyday. Remember, loving God
and loving people is a Christian’s role in this dark
and hurting world. We are commanded to go into
all the world and preach the gospel to save souls.

By the way you can find quite a few good videos at

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=gevte#g/a
and http://www.youtube.com/user/EmbarkToHeaven#g/u

By the way I want you to feel free to copy and distribute anything you find on this blog, However you MUST not use this information for any profits since we can not put a price on saving souls from HELL.

From Now Until The Rapture.

Unfortunately I must inform everyone that things will get very nasty before Jesus takes his church up to Heaven in the Rapture, this is due to a number of things like how Christians can't even agree to disagree about various doctrinal issues such as the whole Once Saved Always Saved doctrine and the timing of the rapture and other things that are not worth arguing about, needless to say the church must re-unify before the Rapture can happen so God will leave Christians in the world while things keep getting worse, however God can and will protect people that repent of their sins and start to seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, which is to say that all of God's promises still stand yet people will need super natural help as soon as the judgments begin to fall on the wicked and unrepentant people in the United States Of America and the rest of the world.
Here is a link with information on how to access the super natural and recieve the blessings which you will need when the God's Judgments fall.

http://www.heburnsforme.com/index.html

Of course you will not be able to get any help from God if you are not SAVED first so here is a prayer that you can say to get saved.

“Father, I know that I have broken your

laws and my sins have separated me

from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want

to turn away from my past sinful life

toward You. Please forgive me, and help

me avoid sinning again. I believe that

Your Son, Jesus Christ died for my sins,

was resurrected from the dead, is alive,

and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to

become the Lord of my life, to rule and

reign in my heart from this day forward.

Please send your Holy Spirit to help me

obey You, and to do Your will for the rest

of my life. In Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.”



If you have received Christ into your heart, I
welcome you to the Kingdom of God. All the
angels in Heaven rejoice whenever one soul is
saved. Now, your job as a Christian is to learn
about God, and obey Him. Read your Bible every
day, and you will be like a tree planted by a spring,
never thirsting. You will grow in knowledge and
wisdom, and your relationship and closeness with
your God will become the meaning of your life.
Please, find a good church, and get baptized in
the name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy
Spirit immediately. Learn the teachings of Christ,
and follow Him everyday. Remember, loving God
and loving people is a Christian’s role in this dark
and hurting world. We are commanded to go into
all the world and preach the gospel to save souls.

Songs About The End Times.

Here is a song that will hopefully give you a wake up call about the 7 year tribulation and motivate you to get Saved.



Please Just watch the video which I posted with the prayer of Salvation and pray that prayer so that you will not be forced to endure the seven years of HELL on Earth called The Great Tribulation.

Revelations of Heaven God Gave to 7 Youths. and Marvin Ford's Vision Of Heaven.

Here Are Some Revelations Of Heaven That God Gave to 7 Youths. The full version of this article and illustrations can be found on www.spiritlessons.com , The Prayer that follows is taken from a YOU TUBE video.




--- (1st Testimony, Esau) ---

2 Corinthians 12:2 :
I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago - whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God know- was caught up as far as the third heaven.

We were in the room, when we had the first experience. The room started to fill again with a light from the presence of the Lord. It was so powerful that it lit up the entire room. The room was full of His glory, it was beautiful to be before Him.

Jesus told us, "My sons, now I will show you My Kingdom, we will go to my Glory." We took each others hands and were lifted up. I looked down and noticed that we were going out of our own bodies. As we left our bodies we were dressed with white robes and started to go up at a very high speed.

We arrived in front of a pair of doors which was the entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven. We were astonished at what was happening to us. Thankfully, Jesus the Son of God was there with us, along with two angels who each had four wings.

The angels began to talk to us, but we didn't understand what they were saying. Their language was very different from ours, neither was it like any Earthly language. These angels were welcoming us and they opened those immense doors. We saw a wonderful place, with many different things. When we came inside, a perfect peace filled our hearts. The Bible tells us that God would give us peace that surpasses all human understanding (Philippians 4:7)

The first thing I saw was a deer, so I asked one of my friends, "Sandra, are you looking at the same thing I am looking at?" She was no longer crying or shouting anymore, as when we were shown Hell. She was smiling and said: "Yes Esau, I am looking at a deer!" Then I knew that everything was real, we were really in the Kingdom of Heaven. All the horrors that we saw in Hell were soon forgotten. We were there enjoying the glory of God. We went to where the deer was, behind it stood an absolutely huge tree! It was in the center of the paradise.

The Bibles tells us in Revelation 2:7 "Whoever has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. I will grant the victor to eat from the tree of life that stands in the paradise of God"

This tree is a symbol of Jesus, because Christ is Eternal Life. Behind the tree was a river of crystalline water. It was so clear and beautiful, like we never had seen before on Earth. We just wanted to stay in that place. Many times we said to the Lord, "Lord please! Do not take us out of this place! We want to be here forever! We don't want to go back to Earth!" The Lord answered us, "It is necessary that you go back to give testimony of all the things that I have prepared for those who love Me because I am coming back very soon and my reward is with Me."

When we saw the river, we hurried there and got inside of it. We remembered the scripture that says that whoever believes in the Lord, from his belly shall run rivers of living water. (John 7:38) The water from this river seemed to have life in itself, so we immersed ourselves in it. Inside and outside of the water we could breath normally. That river was very deep and there were many different colors of fish swimming in it. The light inside and out of the river was normal; in Heaven light did not come from a specific source, everything was just brightly lit up. The Bible tells us that the Lord Jesus is the light of that city (Revelations 21:23). With our hands, we took some of the fish out of the water; they didn't die. So we ran to the Lord and asked Him why. The Lord smiled and answered that in Heaven there is no more death, no more crying, and no more pain. (Revelations 21:4)

We left the river and ran to every place we could find, we wanted to touch and experience everything. We wanted to bring everything back home with us, because we were so amazed at the things in Heaven. They simply cannot be explained sufficiently with words. When the Apostle Paul was taken to Heaven, he saw things that he could never explain with words, because of the greatness of the things in the Kingdom of Heaven. (2 Corinthians 12) There are things we saw that we have almost no way of describing.

We then came to a very immense area; a very wonderful and beautiful place. This place was full of precious stones: gold, emeralds, rubies and diamonds. The floor was made of pure gold. We then went to a place where there were three very large books. The first one was a Bible made of gold. In Psalms it tells us that the Word of God is eternal and that the Word of God remains in Heaven forever. (Psalms 119:89) We were looking at a huge golden Bible; the pages, the scripture, everything was made of pure gold.

The second book we saw was bigger than the Bible. It was open and an angel was sitting there writing inside the book. Together with the Lord Jesus we got closer to see what the angel was writing. The angel was writing all of the things that were happening on the Earth. Everything that has happened; including the date, the hour, everything is recorded there. This is done so the Word of the Lord can be fulfilled where it says that the Books were opened, and that the people on the Earth were judged according to their works that were written in those books (Revelations 20:12). The angel was writing all the things that people were doing here on Earth, good or bad, as it is written.

We continued to the place where the third book was. It was even bigger than the last book! The book was closed, but we got closer to it. All seven of us together took the book down from its stand, according to command of the Lord, and we put it on a pillar.

The pillars and columns in Heaven are so wonderful! They are not made like the ones on the Earth. The columns were like a braid, they were made of different precious stones. Some were made of diamonds, others were made of pure emeralds, others were made of pure gold, and others were made of a combination of many different type of stones. I then understand that God really is the owner of all things, as it is written in Haggai 2:8, "The gold is mine, and silver is mine." I understood that God is absolutely rich and He owns all the riches in the world. I also understood that the world in all its fullness belongs to our God, and He wants to give it to all those who ask in faith.

The Lord said, "Ask me and I will give you the nations for an inheritance." (Psalms 2:8) This book that we put on the column was so big that in order to turn a page we had to walk each page to the other side of the book. We tried to read what was in that book, as the Lord asked us. At first, it was difficult to read because it was written in strange characters that we could not understand. It was different from any Earthly language; it was something totally Heavenly. But with the help of the Holy Ghost, we were given the grace to understand it. It was like a bandage was taken off our eyes and we could then understand the writing; as clear as our own language.

We could see that all seven of our names were written in the book. The Lord told us that it was the Book of Life. (Revelations 3:5) We noted that the names written in the book were not the names we were called on Earth; these names were new, so the Word of God can be fulfilled when it says that He would give us a new name that no one else knows but the person who receives it. (Revelations 2:17)

In Heaven, we were able to pronounce our names, but once the Lord brought us back to Earth those names were taken from our memories and our hearts. The Word of God is eternal, and it has to be fulfilled. My friends, the Bible says, (Revelations 3:11) Don't let anyone take your crown, do not let any one to usurp or remove that place that the Father has ready for you. In Heaven, there are millions of things that are wonderful, we just can't express it with our mouths. But I want to tell you something, "God is waiting for you!" However it is only the people that perseveres until the end, who will be saved! (Mark 13:13)


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--- (2nd Testimony, Ariel) ---

When we started to go up to the Kingdom of Heaven, we came to a beautiful place with precious doors. In front of the doors were two angels. They started to talk, but their speech was angelical and we could not understand what they were saying. But the Holy Ghost gave us understanding. They were welcoming us. The Lord Jesus put His hands on the doors and they opened. If Jesus were not with us, we would never have been able to come inside Heaven.

We began to appreciate everything in Heaven. We saw a huge tree, the Bible describes this tree as the "Tree of Life." (Revelation 2:7) We went to a river, and saw a lot of fish inside. Everything was so amazing that my friends and I decided to go inside the water. We began to swim under that water. We saw the fish moving around and they caressed our bodies. They didn't swim away as normally happens on Earth; the presence of the Lord calmed the fish. The fish could trust us because they knew that we were not going to harm them. I was so blessed and marveled that I grabbed one of the fish and took it out of the water. What was so amazing was that the fish was very quiet enjoying the presence of the Lord even in my hands. I put the fish back into the water.

I could see in the distance that there were white horses in Heaven, as it is written in the word of God in Revelation 19:11. "Then I saw heaven open and a white horse appeared. Its rider is called Faithful and True; justly He Judges and wages war." Those horses were the ones that the Lord will use when He comes to the Earth to take His people, His church. I walked to the horses and began to pat them. The Lord followed me and allowed me to ride one of them.

When I started to ride, I felt something that I had never felt before on Earth. I began to experience the peace, the freedom, the love, the holiness that a person can have in that beautiful place. I started to enjoy everything that my eyes could see. I just wanted to enjoy everything in that beautiful paradise that the Lord has prepared for us.

We also could see the wedding banquet table, everything was already served. It had no beginning or end. We saw the chairs prepared for us. There was also crowns of eternal life that are ready to be taken by us. We saw delicious foods that are already set, for all of those that will be invited to the Wedding of the Lamb.

Angels where there with some white cloth for the cloaks that the Lord is preparing for us. I was amazed looking at all these things. The Word of God tells us that we have to receive that Kingdom of God like little children. (Mathew 18:3) When we were in Heaven we were like children. We started to enjoy everything there; the flowers, the residences... the Lord even allowed us to go inside the residences.

Then God took us to a place that had many children. The Lord was in the middle of them and He started to play with them. He made sure to spend enough time with each of them and He enjoyed being with them. We got close to the Lord and asked Him, "Lord are these children the ones who are going to be born on Earth?". The Lord answered, "No, these children are the ones who were aborted on the Earth". Upon hearing that, I felt something inside of me that made me shake.

I remembered something I had done in the past, when I did not know the Lord. At that time, I was in a relationship with a woman and she got pregnant. When she told me she was pregnant, I did not know what to do so I asked her for some time to make a decision. Time passed and when I went to her to tell my decision, it was already too late because she already had an abortion. That marked my life. Even after I accepted the Lord in my heart, that abortion was something that I could not forgive myself of. But God did something that day, He allowed me to enter that place and told me, "Ariel, do you see that girl that is there? That girl is your daughter." When He told me that, I saw the girl, I felt the wound, I had in my soul for such long time, started to heal. The Lord allowed me to walk close to her and she got close to me. I took her in my hands and saw her eyes. One word I heard from her lips, "Daddy". I understood and I felt that God had mercy on me and had forgiven me, but I had to learn to forgive myself.

Dear friend, whoever reads this, I want to tell you one thing. God has already forgiven your sins, now you have to learn to forgive yourself. I give thanks to God for allowing me to share this testimony with you. Lord Jesus Christ I give you the honor and glory! This testimony is of the Lord, He allowed us to receive this revelation. I hope that each one of our brothers that reads this testimony shall receive also the blessing of this testimony and take it to bless many others.

God bless you.



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(Revelations 21:4)
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

When we arrived, these big doors were opened for us, and I started to see a valley full of flowers. The flowers were beautiful and their smell was exquisite. We started to walk and experience a total freedom like we had never felt on the Earth. We felt a peace that filled our hearts and while we looked at the flowers we noticed that they were unique; each petal was different, genuine, and had a unique color.

Inside my heart, I said to my Lord that I wanted to have a flower like one of these. The Lord gave an expression of agreement, I got close to a flower and started to pull it. But nothing happened, I could not pull the flower out of the ground. I couldn't even pull the petals or leaves off of the flower. Then the Lord broke the silence and said, "Here everything must be done in love." He touched the flower and it surrendered itself to the hand of the Lord. He then gave it to us. We continued walking and the smell from the flowers was still with us.

We arrived at a place with a set of very beautiful doors. These doors were not simple, they were very ornate in their craftsmanship and had precious stones engraved on them. The doors opened and we entered into a room with many people. Everybody was running here and there making preparations. Some of them carried rolls of shining white cloth over their shoulders, others were carrying spindles of golden thread, and yet others were taking some kind of plates with something like shields inside them. Everyone was running with effort.

We asked the Lord why there was so much effort and hurry. Then Lord bid a young man to come close. This man had a roll of cloth on his shoulders. He came and looked at the Lord, reverently. When the Lord asked him why he was carrying that roll of cloth, he just looked at the Lord and said, "Lord you know what this cloth is for! This cloth is used to make the robes of the redeemed, the robes for the great Bride." Upon hearing this, we felt a great joy and peace. Revelation 19:8 tells us: "And it has been granted to her to be dressed in pure, resplendent linen. For the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints."

When we came out of that place we felt even more peace, because it was beautiful to see that the Lord Himself was making something nice for us. He has the place and the time for you because you are important to Him. When we came out of that place, our eyes got lost in every detail in Heaven. It's like each thing had life in itself, and every object there was giving glory to God.

Then we came to a place where there were millions and millions of children, of all ages. When they saw the Lord, all of them wanted to hug Him, to feel more of His love, because He was their passion. Jesus was the passion of each child there. We felt like crying after seeing how the Lord spoiled each one of these children, how He kissed them and held their hands.

We saw how angels got close to the Lord, bringing Him babies wrapped in linen. The Lord caressed, touched, and gave them a kiss on their foreheads and then the angels took them back with them. We asked the Lord why there were so many children there, were those children going to be sent to the Earth. The Lord sounded touched for a moment, and He said, "No, these children will not be sent to the Earth! These are the ones that were aborted on the Earth, whose parents don't want to have them. These are my children and I love them." I nodded my head, and even my voice trembled to ask the Lord such a question.

When I didn't know the Lord, the true Life that He is, I made mistakes and sinned like everybody else. Among those sins was an abortion I had. There was a moment where I had to be face to face with the Lord and ask Him, "Lord, is the baby I aborted, long ago, here?". The Lord answered, "Yes." I started walking to one of the sides and I saw a beautiful little boy. Close to his feet stood an angel. The angel was looking at the Lord, and the boy had his back facing us.

The Lord told me, "Look, there is your boy." I wanted to see him so I ran over to him, but the angel stopped me with his hand. He showed me that I had to listen to the boy first. I started to hear what the little boy was saying. He was talking and looking in the direction of the other children. He asked the angel, "Are my daddy and my mommy coming here soon?" The angel, looking at me, answered to him, "Yes, your daddy and your mommy are just about to come."

I do not know why I was given the privilege of hearing these words, but in my heart I knew that these words were the best gift that the Lord could give to me. This little one was not talking with anger, or pain, maybe knowing that we did not let him be born. He was simply waiting with the love that God had placed in his heart.

We continued walking, but I kept the image of that boy in my heart. I know that each day I have to make an effort to be able to be with him one day. I have one more reason to go there, because someone is waiting for me in the Kingdom of Heaven. The Word of God tells us in Isaiah 65:19, "I too will rejoice over Jerusalem and Will delight in My people. No more will there be heard in her the voice of weeping or the voice of crying."

We came to a place with some small mountains, and the Lord Jesus came dancing. In front of Him was a crowd of people dressed in white robes and they lifted their hands with green olive branches. When they waved the branches in the air, they released oil. God has great things prepared for you! Now is the time for you to put your heart before Him.

God bless you.


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In the Kingdom of Heaven, we saw wonderful things as it is written in the Word of God, 1 Corinthians 2:9, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, neither has the human heart thought of what God has prepared for those who love Him."

When we arrived at the Kingdom of Heaven it was so spectacular and wonderful to see so many things; so many big things and to feel the glory of the Lord. It was so special; a place with lots of children. We could say that there were millions of children in that place.

We saw children of different ages, Heaven was divided into sections. We saw some kind of baby-house that sheltered kids aged 2-4. We also noticed that the children in the Kingdom of Heaven grow up and there was a school where the children are taught the Word of God. The teachers are angels and they teach the children worship songs and how to glorify the Lord Jesus.

When the Lord arrived, we could see the immense joy of our King. Even though we could not see His face, we could see His smile, it filled the entire place. When He arrived, all the children ran to Him! In the middle of all those children, we could see Mary, the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ on Earth. She was a beautiful woman. We did not see her on a throne and neither was anyone worshiping her. She was there as one of the other women in heaven, like all other people on Earth she had to win her salvation. She had a white robe and a golden belt around her waist, and her hair reached down to her waist.

On Earth, we have listened to many people as they worship Mary as the mother of Jesus, but I want to tell you that the Word of God says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6) The only entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven is Jesus of Nazareth.

We also noticed there was no Sun or Moon. The Word of God tells us in Revelation 22:5 "And night shall be no more; they will need neither lamplight nor sunlight, for the Lord God will be their light, and they shall reign for ever and ever."

We could see the glory of God. We find it difficult to explain the horrors we saw in hell, but it is even more difficult to try to explain the celestial things we saw and the perfection of our Maker. When we were there, the wanted to run and see everything. We could lay down on the grass, and we could feel the glory of God. That soft whistle; that soft wind that caressed our faces, it was something wonderful.

In the middle of the sky, we could see a huge cross made of pure gold. We believe that this was not a symbol of idolatry but more like a symbol showing that through the death of Jesus on the cross, we have entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven.

We continued walking in Heaven. It was fascinating to walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. There we could know for sure, who is the God that we are serving...Jesus of Nazareth. Many of us on Earth think there is a God up there, just waiting for us to commit a sin, so He can punish us and send us to hell. But that is not reality. We could see the other face of Jesus, a Jesus that is a friend; a Jesus that cries when you cry. Jesus is a God of love, compassion and mercy; He takes us in His hands to help us continue in the way of salvation.

The Lord Jesus also allowed us to meet a person from the Bible. We meet King David, the King David mentioned in the scriptures. He was a good looking man, tall and his face reflected the Glory of God. The whole time we were in the Kingdom of Heaven, the only thing that King David did was dance, dance, dance and give all the glory and the honor to God.

To those who are reading this testimony, I want to tell you that in the Word of God is says in Revelations 21:27 "But nothing unclean nor anyone practicing immorality and falsehood shall ever enter it, but only those whose names have been recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life." And I also want to tell you that only the brave ones take hold of the Kingdom of Heaven.

God Bless you.



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(2 Corinthians 5:10)
For we must all appear before the tribunal of Christ, so that each may receive as his due what he practiced while in the body, whether good or bad

In the Kingdom of Heaven, we could see the New Jerusalem which the Bible tells us about in John 14:2, "In My Father's house are many dwelling places. If this were not so, I would have told you. For I am going away to prepare a place for you." We could see the city and enter it; it is a real and wonderful city! Jesus went there to prepare those dwelling places for us.

In the city and we could see that each residences or house had the owner's name written in front of the house. This city is not yet inhabited, but it is ready for us. We were allowed to go inside the houses and see all the things inside. But later when we left the city, we forgot the things we saw, those memories were taken away from us. However, we can remember that the columns of the houses are plated with precious metals and have many different types of precious stones encrusted in them. They also have pure gold in them.

The gold of this city is like the Bible describes; it is almost transparent, and so shiny. The gold on Earth can not be compared in luster and beauty to the gold that is in Heaven.

After this, we were taken to a place that had lots of containers. Inside those containers were crystallized tears. Those were the tears that the sons of God shed on the Earth. They were not tears of complaints, but tears that people shed when they are in the presence of God; tears of repentance, tears of gratitude. God keeps these tears as a precious treasure in Heaven, just like it is mentioned in Psalms 56:8, "Thou takest note of my roaming; and put my tears into Thy bottle; are they not in Thy book?"

We also came to a place where many many angels were. Although in Heaven we could see many different types of angels, this place had just one special type. We saw that Jesus, has a specific angel for each person. He also showed us that this angel will be close to us during our entire existence. He introduced us to the angels assigned to us. We got to see their characteristics, but God told us that we are not allowed to reveal these things to others. We read in Psalms 91:11, "For He gives His angels orders regarding you, to protect you wherever you go."

We came to a place with many lockers, within them were many different flowers. Some flowers were open, beautiful and radiant. But other were kind of droopy, and some others ones were even shriveled. We asked Jesus what the meaning of all those flowers were? He answered, "It is because the life of each of you is like one of these flowers." He took one of the radiant flowers and said, "This flower shows the condition of the communion that you have with Me." He left that flower and took another one that was down. He said, "Look, this person is down because they are having a trial, or a difficulty. There is something in this life that is interrupting the communion with Me. Do you know what I do with these flowers when they are down in order to make them brilliant and healthy again?" He then took the flower in His hand and said, "I shed my tears over them and I raise them up." We saw how in a powerful way this flower began to have life again and raise up and its colors began to appear again.

Then He took one of the shriveled flowers and He threw it into the fire and said, "Look, this person had known me and walked away from Me. Now he dies without me and it is thrown to the fire." (John 15:5-6)

When we left there, we saw a beautiful castle very far in the distance. Nobody dared to get close to that castle, and we believe that is what the Scriptures talk about in Revelation 22:1, "He then showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing forth from the throne of God and of the Lamb." We believe that the castle was probably located near the presence and throne of God.

While experiencing all these things in the Kingdom of Heaven, we had so much joy in our hearts, we had a peace that passes all understanding. (Philippians 4:7) We understood as it is written in 1 Peter 1:4, "to an inheritance imperishable , unsullied, and unfading that is kept safely in heaven for you."


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(Luke 22:30)
"that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will be seated on thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel."

In that marvelous place, God allowed us to see the most beautiful reception hall that we ever thought could exist anywhere in the universe. We saw a giant throne with two chairs in pure gold and precious stones that do not exist on Earth. In front of the giant throne was a table that had no end, on it was white tablecloth. It was so white that we couldn't compare it to anything on Earth.

All manner of exquisite and refined foods was set on the table. We saw grapes the size of oranges, and the Lord Jesus Christ let us taste some of them. We still can remember their taste, it was something so wonderful! My brother and friend, you can't imagine all the things that are ready in the Kingdom of Heaven and what God has already prepared for you. (1 Corinthians 2:9)

Also on the table, God allowed us to see the bread, the "Manna". This was the bread of God that the Scriptures tells us about. We were allowed to enjoy the taste along with many other wonderful things that don't even exist on Earth.

These things are waiting for us as our incorruptible inheritance in the Kingdom of Heaven. We will enjoy some amazingly exquisite and delicious foods when we inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. We were amazed that the chairs were set on both sides of the table. These beautiful chairs had names written on each one. We could read clearly our names on those chairs, but our names were not the same ones that we have here on Earth. They were the new names that nobody else knew but ourselves. (Revelations 2:17)

What was written in the Word of God surprised us, "Do not rejoice that the demons submit to you, rejoice because your names are written in the Heaven." (Luke 10:20) There were a lot of chairs! There is enough space for all of those who want to come to the Kingdom of Heaven. There were also chairs that were taken away from the table. That means that there are men and women who got tired of serving God, and their names were erased from the Book of Life and they are set away from the Wedding Supper of the Lamb.

God also allowed us to see men from the Bible, the wonderful saints that we read about in Scriptures. We were surprised to see Abraham. Abraham was an elder, but not in his body or his appearance. He was an elder by the wisdom that he had. Abraham's hair was totally white, but each hair was like glass filaments or diamond filaments. What surprised us the most was that he was even younger than we are. In Heaven, all of us will rejuvenate and be young. We were also surprised by his words. Abraham told us something that we will never forget. He welcomed us to the Kingdom of Heaven and told us that soon we would be in that place, because the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is approaching quickly.


Here is a prayer you can say for God to forgive your Sins.

“Father, I know that I have broken your

laws and my sins have separated me

from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want

to turn away from my past sinful life

toward You. Please forgive me, and help

me avoid sinning again. I believe that

Your Son, Jesus Christ died for my sins,

was resurrected from the dead, is alive,

and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to

become the Lord of my life, to rule and

reign in my heart from this day forward.

Please send your Holy Spirit to help me

obey You, and to do Your will for the rest

of my life. In Jesus’ name I pray, Amen.”


If you have received Christ into your heart, I
welcome you to the Kingdom of God. All the
angels in Heaven rejoice whenever one soul is
saved. Now, your job as a Christian is to learn
about God, and obey Him. Read your Bible every
day, and you will be like a tree planted by a spring,
never thirsting. You will grow in knowledge and
wisdom, and your relationship and closeness with
your God will become the meaning of your life.
Please, find a good church, and get baptized in
the name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy
Spirit immediately. Learn the teachings of Christ,
and follow Him everyday. Remember, loving God
and loving people is a Christian’s role in this dark
and hurting world. We are commanded to go into
all the world and preach the gospel to save souls.

Here are more Revelations Of how wonderful Heaven is,
http://www.heavenlyparadise.cjb.net/

"My Vision of Heaven"
Marvin Ford


The Angel of Death
Instead of rebuking it I said Lord I can't take it any more. I don't care about the prophets, I don't care about my job, I don't care about my automobiles, I don't care about my home, I don't care about anything else. I've got to get this pain off…I can't take it any more. I had gotten so weak…I could not fight it any longer. So I remembered what Jesus said when he was hanging on the cross. "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." And when I did that the lights went off. And just like that my spirit left my body and immediately …now I didn't go through that long black tunnel that Dr. Moody writes about in his "Life after Life",…no I didn't. I passed by so fast those bright lights at about a 45 degree angle toward the north. You sing that song, Psalms 48:1,2, "beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion on the sides of the north, the city of the Great King". That's the direction I was going in.

A View of the Heavenly City
And just like that, I was looking down on the most dazzling sight I had ever seen or even dreamed or imagined in my entire life! The beauty, the splendor, the magnificence of that city was absolutely breathtaking! The golden hues that were coming out from there, and the rays of light that was coming from that city were just blinding to the eye. Only they weren't my eyes. My spirit was seeing that. See my eyes were on the bed down there. I don't know whether they were closed or open….

But I was looking at this…. I saw the walls of jasper! Read it in the 21st chapter of the Book of Revelation. Maybe you've already read it and you've already studied it; but if you haven't read it when you get home. They are 1500 miles long, 1500 miles wide, 1500 miles high, and they looked like they were at least 50 miles thick. Now picture that in your mind will you? And picture this, there were no shadows, inside or out. The walls were perfectly transparent because the light from inside that city was so bright that absolutely nothing could withstand it. And I saw in the foundation of those walls precious and semi precious stones. I saw diamonds larger, much larger, maybe 10 times larger that the Empire State Building. Rubies. Pearls. The gates of pearl they look like they were at least 100 miles in diameter. I saw twelve of them; twelve of those gates; three on each side. I saw rubies and sapphires, sardonyx, beryl, topaz, emeralds; the various precious and semiprecious stones.

And I saw from wall to wall, streets, millions of miles of streets of solid gold. Not paved with gold as one songwriter wrote, but those streets are solid gold, completely and perfectly transparent. But Oh the splendor and the beauty and the rays of light that were coming from those streets!

And I saw on each side of those streets of gold, mansions. I saw huge mansions; and I saw little bitty mansions and I saw mansions of all sizes in between. And being a builder, I'm interested in building and I can pick out a building. I don't care if its a dog house that's being remodeled, I can pick it out, you know, going down the street. And I looked all over that city, all over that city to see what those mansions were being built of you know. And you know what? I couldn't find one! They were all finished. They're all finished! Jesus said in the 14th chapter of John "In my fathers house are many mansions. If it were not so I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go, I'll come again and receive you unto myself. That where I am, there ye may be also." And Jesus has done his thing. He's waiting for us to do ours. He's waiting for us to fulfill our part of the bargain He made.

Now I'm sure that Paul the Apostle saw the same thing. I'm sure it's something equal, cause he was writing to the Corinthians in the 12th chapter of 2nd Corinthians. And he says "I knew a man fourteen years ago, whether in the body or out of the body, I know not, and he was taken up into paradise and he saw things that were unutterable, or unlawful to write. Actually there were no words to describe it. Absolutely no words! And the only way John the Revelator could describe it, it says, "It looked like a bride, as a bride adorned for her husband". It didn't look like a woman; it didn't look like a woman with a white dress.

But the purity, the Purity and the Beauty of that City was absolutely unmentionable. There's no way. But I think Paul began to kind of spill the beans a little bit when he started writing to the Phillipians in the 4th chapter and the 19th verse when he said "My God shall supply all your need according to" your brownie points that you marked up? No he didn't write that, he didn't say that. He says "My God shall supply all your need according to His riches in Glory by Christ Jesus" And that is the way God supplies our needs! And I'm here to tell you that God that I serve is very super extravagant! All those walls of jasper, the streets of solid gold, the very thing that people work their fingers to the bone to try to attain; men kill each other over, countries go to war over; … Gold; that's the cheapest thing in Heaven. That's what we walk on! That's what there's the most of, there, you see! Except, I saw through, in, around, and about, and all over that place millions of bright shining, shining shimmering scintillating lights; glistening lights, all over that city. And they were moving with such grace and such poise, and such dignity and with such beauty.

And they were all singing. Ha-ha, you talk about a song! You talk about a song! They were singing, worshipping Jesus the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world! Worthy is the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world! The only thing, they weren't singing in English, they were singing in a heavenly language! And I didn't even have to learn it! I didn't even have to learn it! I joined them, singing exactly what they were singing and everybody was with one accord, and everybody was on tune.

And I was talking to Dr. Richard Eby, who has had an experience somewhat similar to mine. And he's a musician, I'm a musician and he heard singing. He heard music! And leave it up to a doctor to ask an impossible question. He said "Marvin, let me ask you, was that music vocal or instrumental?" Well I had never thought of it before! I said "Dr. Eby, really to tell you the truth, I don't know!" I had never heard anything vocal like it before. I had never heard anything instrumental like it before! He said, "Yes, that is absolutely true! I could not distinguish it. It was coming from the spirit." Now whether that's vocal or instrumental, that's beside the point, don't make a doctrine out of it. But that's the way it was, you know. He asked my why…. You know he saw things that I didn't see and I saw things that he didn't see. He saw things that were relative to his life. That were pertinent to his disposition, to his likes and to his dislikes. I saw things that were pertinent to my likes and dislikes; and to my disposition. You see the God that I serve is so versatile that He ministers to the individual according to that individuals need. According to your personality and everything. You can put God in a box! And I can't put God in a box! Because god is very, very, very diversified, see! And he said "Well Marvin, why do you think that everybody… why doesn't everybody see exactly the same thing?" I said, "Well Dr. Eby, I can figure that out. I can figure that out, why if any three saw the same thing, they'd try to make a doctrine out of it, and start a denomination. Now that's one thing that we all have in common that have these out of body experiences, when we go to be with the Lord. We see colors that you cannot describe! Millions of 'em! But oh the splendor and the beauty of those colors are just absolutely overwhelming. Even in your fondest thoughts or fondest imaginations! And there were just as many colors as there were spirits, you know. That's as diversified as our father is!

Finding the Throne
And since we were worshipping Jesus, I said, "Oh, I haven't seen Jesus yet!" I quoted to you Hebrews 1:3 when he had by himself purged our sins, he sat down on the right hand of the majesty on high. And I knew if I found the majesty on high, which is God the Father, I would find Jesus. And I could personally tell him how much I love him and how much I appreciate him. Now I was going through this maze of colors there was a changing process. I don't know why, I can't describe it or even give you any scripture for it. But there was a changing process. And presently I came out into the brightest, whitest, clearest, cleanest, purest, most intense light that I had ever even imagined in my entire life. Oh I was seeing things that I had never dreamed of. And there, anywhere I would look in the upper level of this city 1500 miles square, with that rainbow or that oval type dome for a roof of this city, in there was the throne of God. In any direction I looked, there He was! I could not make any physical being, you know, I couldn't make out any physical being because Hs Glory filled the throne. But I knew, I knew that Jesus was sitting at his right hand because the word of God said so.

Presently I saw him. A massive, light, shaft of light. And I seemed so small in comparison to Jesus. I worshipped Him. Now when I say I saw Jesus, I knew it was Jesus. I could not make (out) any physical form. Now Dr. Eby could see the physical forms, although he noticed that the physical forms didn't have any muscles. They didn't have any marks where you could tell male nor female. And their bodies were completely transparent, but they were physical. I couldn't see that, the light was so bright that I could not make out any physical being. The only way I could describe that, if you were to take an about 3 million candle power search light, one of these arc lights, you know, that you shine way up into the heavens to advertise the grand opening of a place. During the war particularly when they were searching for planes in the heavens. (That) went way up there for miles it seemed like, in the heavens. Those same lights if you would turn one of those down on a dark night and get out there in front of it, and look at that searchlight, at that 3 million candle power arc light and try to distinguish the filaments in that light, you would have the same success in trying to distinguish the physical being of Jesus But there exuded from that being Love, Compassion, Tenderness, Purity, Power, Glory but yet so tender. There was a gaze that I sensed. Have you ever just felt somebody just gazing at you? And you looked and you saw them gazing at you. And even while they were gazing at you, you couldn't stop it, they were there all the time? That's the way I sensed the presence of Jesus.

And I fell down at his feet and worshipped. I know what Jesus meant when he says out of your bellies, or out of your innermost being, shall flow rivers of living water. There was a gusher of praise, and adoration and glory and honor going to Jesus that I could not stop. Nor would I have stopped it had it been possible. I was praising Jesus the Lamb of God, the one who died for my sins, the cause of my being there, the reason for my being there. The preciousness of Jesus just flooded my heart, my soul. And I was worshipping.

Jesus Speaks
And I heard Him say, now it was not a verbal exchange, it was a spirit to spirit knowing, He welcomed me into his presence. And He told me to stand. And there I was standing face to face with Jesus. My Jesus, the Lamb of God, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. I was there in His presence. I began to ask Him questions after I worshipped Him for a long time. And the first question I asked Him was "Lord," You know his gaze never did leave me one bit, not one second. I said "Lord, how is it that there are millions of spirits here in heaven, there are billions of people on earth and there are people that are coming into your presence continually, how is it that your gaze remains continually on me. I have your undivided attention." And in that tenderness, and in that love and compassion he says "Why don't you know that there's enough of me to go around?" For every individual, regardless of how insignificant you might think you are. Regardless how undone, regardless how little, regardless how puny… You know you think you're nobody, but let me tell you something, but don't sell yourself short. You are very, very, very important to Jesus. Because He never takes His gaze from you, 24 hours a day. That's the Jesus that we serve. Oh Hallelujah, Hallelujah! And folks, I don't know, If I break up, you'll have to forgive me. Sometimes I do when I get to thinking about Jesus and who he is, and who we are. And, you know, how He loves us, and how I love Him.

The next question I asked His was "Lord, what about those prophets? Did I make false prophets out of all those people that said that I'd be going' around the world and preaching to millions of people. Are they false prophets?" The answer Jesus gave was this. "I have everything under complete control. I have never lost a battle, nor have I ever lost a skirmish." Hahaha Hallelujah! And I found out then and there, the Jesus that we serve, there's one thing that he cannot do! He cannot lose! We as individuals, sometimes, we lose a skirmish here and there. We think we do, but Jesus has everything under complete control. We back up and recoup and we hit the devil right between the eyes. And he's got to obey us. I don't care how big, I don't care how many. I don't care the power, I don't care anything else. When the church comes together and takes the authority that rightfully belongs to us, there are not enough devils in hell, imps in hell, or demons in hell that can stand against the weakest Christian. Praise God! Because greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world! And they've got to obey you! They've got to obey you! They are subject to you and they are subject to me! There are only two cases that I have ever come against a demon possessed individual that they weren't delivered. That's because they didn't want to be delivered. But when an individual wants to be delivered, brother they've to be delivered because of the authority Son of God that He's given us!

All authority is given unto Him, in heaven and in earth and He transferred that authority that God gave Jesus to the church. Take that authority! Live in that authority! Walk in that authority! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! You're a lot stronger than you think! Hallelujah! Because you have Jesus living in you. Living in You! Your body's a temple of the Holy Spirit! And you do have the authority. All authority is given to the Church! Praise God! When the Church finally comes together and wakes up! I'm talking about the people that kind of pull themselves off to one side I've got news for them. Just like I said at the onset of this service. They've either got to get in, get out, or get run over! There are a lot of people that think they are going to make it, that are going to miss it so far they wont even see it. When people will stand before him and say 'Well Lord, didn't I cast out demons in your name, didn't I do these mighty works in your name? Didn't I do this, and didn't I do that and didn't I do the other? What did Jesus say to them? "Depart from me ye workers of iniquity"…He didn't say that I knew you and forgot you, he said I never knew you.

Oh thank God I know him and he knows me! You know him and he knows you. Hallelujah! That's who you are! That's who the Church is! And when the Church comes together in one accord. That gentle breeze of the Holy Spirit will break into a holocaust of Pentecost, and the entire world will know that Jesus is the son of God, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. And he has everything under complete control.

I asked him another question. I asked, "Lord, when are you coming back?" You know eschatology was one of my favorite subjects. I knew all the answers, particularly when I first came out of Bible school, you know. Huh! The older I get, the less I know! But I knew all the answers then! I had everything lined right up, point after point after point. Until I asked the Lord, I said, Jesus …. Now he hasn't changed dramatically these things but there is one thing that I didn't realize and possibly you don't realize. Jesus says "Before I come with my Church," that's the last step, he comes back with his Church, "I'm, coming for my Church", but he says, "before I come for my Church, I'm coming to my Church, in an unprecedented visitation." A visitation of power, A visitation of glory, a visitation of authority, a visitation of bringing together, a visitation of miracles, and that is not relegated for tomorrow or the next week, or the next…. I read the last chapter! That's now! He is come to his Church, right now. He's here to meet you tonight! And he will meet you according to the level of your expectancy. Are you expecting something from Jesus tonight, huhuh, you're not going to be disappointed! Because he says where any two are gathered together in my name, there am I in their midst. And we are standing on the promises that my God will supply our, all our needs. All our needs. Spirit, soul, and body according to his riches in glory, by Christ Jesus. And Jesus is here, just anxious. If Jesus could have any anxiety at all that would be his anxiety; just anxious to supply that need. Anxious to heal your body, anxious to supply what ever your hearts desire. Hallelujah! Glory to God! Glory to God! That's the Jesus that I serve! Now, I've locked horns with the pre millenialists, I've locked horns with the post-millenialists, I've locked horns with the a-millenialists. And they've all got verses of scripture and they …. I could argue any one of them under the table. But I'll tell you what I've done, I've started a fourth order. I've become a pan-millenialist. I decided to let Jesus take care of things, and everything's gonna pan out. Ha-ha, hallelujah! Is that good doctrine Pastor? Good, praise God. Everything's gonna pan out. But he says I am come to my Church, right now.

We talked about a lot of things, about the kingdom; about the coming kingdom; about when we take authority, the complete authority that God intends us to take. You see. We will come back to the true state that God intended for Adam to have and to be in when he created. The very first thing he said when he created Adam, he built him, you know made him out of the dust of the earth. He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and he became a living soul. And the very first thing, he says 'now take dominion'. Take Dominion. The second thing he says is be fruitful and multiply. But the first thing is take dominion. And that is why Jesus is leaving his Church on the earth today, is to take dominion. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! And he is come to his Church this very hour.

And Jesus says, "Come, I want you to see the Church the way I see it." And I had the privilege of seeing the Church, you notice I said The Church through the eyes of the master architect. He saw the Church even before the foundation of the world. It was in his mind; and it was in his eye. I saw one Church; in the unity of the Spirit; I saw a strong Church, without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing. I saw a well Church; I saw a militant Church. That's ruling, in love, in power, in glory! Hallelujah! That's what I saw! And that's what we're going to see. It's not everyone that says 'Lord, Lord' is going to enter into the kingdom, but he that doeth the will of the father. And as we go together in the unity of the spirit, we are going to see these things.

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